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		<title>Comment on About This Site by bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 18:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gordon,
 I don&#039;t think there are any denominations that have a lock on good churches. I don&#039;t attend a denominational church myself, my church is more like a bible church. Sadly, there are not many churches in my area that are committed to teaching the whole counsel of God&#039;s word. More and more it seems that fads and fluffy Christianity are becoming more popular. However, God has saved us and gifted us with gifts that are to be used within the body of believers. It can be frustrating sometimes when churches don&#039;t do everything right. So we have to find a church that is trying to honor God and His word and get involved. Remember, there are rewards based on faithful service, and shame and loss for those who don&#039;t invest wisely. All the best to you in finding a church. Also, look for individual people who are trying to follow God and do what is right. You may find a home bible study that is helpful as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gordon,<br />
 I don&#8217;t think there are any denominations that have a lock on good churches. I don&#8217;t attend a denominational church myself, my church is more like a bible church. Sadly, there are not many churches in my area that are committed to teaching the whole counsel of God&#8217;s word. More and more it seems that fads and fluffy Christianity are becoming more popular. However, God has saved us and gifted us with gifts that are to be used within the body of believers. It can be frustrating sometimes when churches don&#8217;t do everything right. So we have to find a church that is trying to honor God and His word and get involved. Remember, there are rewards based on faithful service, and shame and loss for those who don&#8217;t invest wisely. All the best to you in finding a church. Also, look for individual people who are trying to follow God and do what is right. You may find a home bible study that is helpful as well.</p>
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		<title>Comment on About This Site by Gordon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 16:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanx, but I&#039;m not in the Pitt&#039;s.  I guess what I&#039;m asking is what type of church do you that affirm Mr. Sorensen&#039;s charaterization of IFB&#039;s recommend for me for worship, friendship and service?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanx, but I&#8217;m not in the Pitt&#8217;s.  I guess what I&#8217;m asking is what type of church do you that affirm Mr. Sorensen&#8217;s charaterization of IFB&#8217;s recommend for me for worship, friendship and service?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Discussion with &#8216;Me&#8217; by lilrabbi</title>
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		<dc:creator>lilrabbi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2010 05:29:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve - consider it a blessing that the IFBers show up here to prove all of your points for you. The object lesson is priceless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve &#8211; consider it a blessing that the IFBers show up here to prove all of your points for you. The object lesson is priceless.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Mental Health Deception by Shy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Aug 2010 01:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I struggled with depression and anxiety for ten years, hating myself for my sinfulness and lack of faith and trust in God.  Finding a counselor who believes in God, and uses Scripture for healing, but also advocates medication as needed literally saved my life.  This style of &quot;Bible only&quot; counseling almost cost me my life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I struggled with depression and anxiety for ten years, hating myself for my sinfulness and lack of faith and trust in God.  Finding a counselor who believes in God, and uses Scripture for healing, but also advocates medication as needed literally saved my life.  This style of &#8220;Bible only&#8221; counseling almost cost me my life.</p>
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		<title>Comment on About This Site by EBR</title>
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		<dc:creator>EBR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Aug 2010 19:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I mention bus ministries, I do not oppose them altogether.  They can be very helpful for those who do not drive.  A church can even be commended for encouraging car pooling when it can be done.  What I am referring to is not athletic or art competitions, but when there are smaller IFB churches in a community that could be handling the ministries very effectively but are not being given the opportunity to minister within their own communities because a very large extensive ministry is competing for the same population.  Also I object when a minister states to be the only one who has studied the Bible and understand salvation by Grace in a community.  This is what happened in my case.  Many ministers may recommend a college.  They shouldn&#039;t be extremely judgmental about those who chose to go to a local community college or junior college and they could refer students outside their ministries.  This is where my issue is, moreso than with actual beliefs and values.  Also parents should make the decisions about what is right for their families.  Sometimes people feel like they can tell everyone else what&#039;s right for their family too.  I&#039;m not saying that they have to change what they are doing, just realize that others may have different reasons for doing what they do.  Respect differences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I mention bus ministries, I do not oppose them altogether.  They can be very helpful for those who do not drive.  A church can even be commended for encouraging car pooling when it can be done.  What I am referring to is not athletic or art competitions, but when there are smaller IFB churches in a community that could be handling the ministries very effectively but are not being given the opportunity to minister within their own communities because a very large extensive ministry is competing for the same population.  Also I object when a minister states to be the only one who has studied the Bible and understand salvation by Grace in a community.  This is what happened in my case.  Many ministers may recommend a college.  They shouldn&#8217;t be extremely judgmental about those who chose to go to a local community college or junior college and they could refer students outside their ministries.  This is where my issue is, moreso than with actual beliefs and values.  Also parents should make the decisions about what is right for their families.  Sometimes people feel like they can tell everyone else what&#8217;s right for their family too.  I&#8217;m not saying that they have to change what they are doing, just realize that others may have different reasons for doing what they do.  Respect differences.</p>
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		<title>Comment on About This Site by bob</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Aug 2010 18:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gordon,
 If you live in the Pittsburgh area I could recommend a church. If you want to hear the gospel read the gospel of John.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gordon,<br />
 If you live in the Pittsburgh area I could recommend a church. If you want to hear the gospel read the gospel of John.</p>
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		<title>Comment on About This Site by bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Aug 2010 17:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lynn,
I think your right that legalistic false teaching is a major concern here. I know legalism runs across denominational lines as well.
 One of the things I have noticed since I have been here is the number of people who have come out of legalistic and cult-like IFB churches. There are far to many people here who have been hurt by false teaching. Having experienced it first hand, and knowing something about it, I want to help other people who want to know the truth. I want to help people get Bible based answers to these problems.
 Look, I don&#039;t think IFB churches as a whole are necessarily worse than other denominations. In some ways they are better and in some ways they are worse. Each church has to be evaluated individually. One thing I know, there are a lot of people here  who have been devastated by false teaching, and I want to help them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lynn,<br />
I think your right that legalistic false teaching is a major concern here. I know legalism runs across denominational lines as well.<br />
 One of the things I have noticed since I have been here is the number of people who have come out of legalistic and cult-like IFB churches. There are far to many people here who have been hurt by false teaching. Having experienced it first hand, and knowing something about it, I want to help other people who want to know the truth. I want to help people get Bible based answers to these problems.<br />
 Look, I don&#8217;t think IFB churches as a whole are necessarily worse than other denominations. In some ways they are better and in some ways they are worse. Each church has to be evaluated individually. One thing I know, there are a lot of people here  who have been devastated by false teaching, and I want to help them.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Tithing Deception by EBR</title>
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		<dc:creator>EBR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Aug 2010 14:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will be the first to admit that it&#039;s nice to attend a candlelight banquet where the tables are covered with linens, floral centerpieces, real silverware and expensive chinaware.  Sports events are fun too.  Who doesn&#039;t like to attend a well performed theatrical or premier cinematic production?  This was actually one of the areas where the private institution excelled  too well.  We had pizza parties after mid-terms.  We decorated our rooms for the holidays and exchanged Christmas and birthday gifts.  

In making a decision that may affect one for the rest of one&#039;s life, one has to get beyond this though. Anytime there is a major event on a college or university campus, any institution will want to impress the public, and many recognize that these events can become potential recruiting tools whether or not there is an attempt to personally confront a visitor about future enrollment. They want the person to visit once, then again, and keep coming back.  This doesn&#039;t necessarily even have to be academic.  It may be a sports tournament, competition, exhibition, guest speaker, conference, too.  It&#039;s anything that gets the public onto the campus.  The goal is to have visitors want to return as often as possible for as many events as possible and hopefully someday part-time or full-time enrollment or perhaps even employment and participation in a ministry.  Many institutions will attract guest speakers by offering a vareity of gifts, recognitions, and honorary doctorate degrees.  I&#039;m not saying that a person may not deserve regootion from an accomplishment gained through experience.  I like to know when I&#039;m dealing with an honorary degree as opposed to a doctorate earned by traditional postgraduate education though.  Whoever this person is, especially if attendance at an event is mandatory, this person is important to the administration and faculty and student body.  After the excitment is over and life returns to its daily routine, just take time and go search the library or internet for biographies and news event privaetly.  Try to learn as much as possible about guest speakers.  I don&#039;t mean just the wonderful information.  

At many colleges and universities, attendance for guest speakers is not always required and in some cases might even be restricted or require purchase of tickets or some type of background security check.  At most colleges and universities, the administration and faculty do not elevate themselves to deity.  The focus must be God and Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit, not a particular name.  Of course, a person can elevate oneself to deityat any public or private campus also.  Does the school allow for questioning among its faculty and administration and student body and patrons and visitors?  If the answer is no, this is a clue that a problem might exist.  The biggest mistake I made is that I didn&#039;t stop and do further research and wait.  I resent the pressure that was placed on me to make a decision in favor of this particular institution at the exclusion of others that could have been good options.  I also resent the pressure to go to a non-regionally accredited institution as opposed to options which were regionally accredited.  This doesn&#039;t just mean regional accreditation, but also checking to see programs have professional accreditations and are established.  The reputation of an institution will follow one for the rest of one&#039;s life.  one will be forever associated with one&#039;s alma mater whether or not one wants by others.  That can help or hurt an individiual much longer than one can ever imagine at the ages of 18-22.  I say this because I think this age group is probably more vulnerable due to lack of experience.  A mistake made at an early age can really close opportunities in the future.  I know that many are taught that this is a time to just do on and do what one pleases.  I know in many high school and college circles, the parents are not really given much weight except to pay the bills.  This is the time of independence.  It&#039;s the great adventure of moving on.
But people care.  

I think it&#039;s sad when a parent doesn&#039;t give a child a choice.  There are options with colleges.  One can even stay at a church and ministry near home.  But many churches have ministries near colleges. There are also campus ministries.  Many times a person does have a choice.  In many schools, one is welcomed to make the choice but not harrassed when one doesn&#039;t make the choice.  It&#039;s optional.  Also in many schools. there are a lot of choices in respect to religious fellowships.  I was told there was only one choice and as I look back, that should have been a clue.  

I am not anti-Baptist.  I am not in opposition to Christian organizations.  I am only commenting on my own personal experience and on two specific ministries which are not regionally accredited.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will be the first to admit that it&#8217;s nice to attend a candlelight banquet where the tables are covered with linens, floral centerpieces, real silverware and expensive chinaware.  Sports events are fun too.  Who doesn&#8217;t like to attend a well performed theatrical or premier cinematic production?  This was actually one of the areas where the private institution excelled  too well.  We had pizza parties after mid-terms.  We decorated our rooms for the holidays and exchanged Christmas and birthday gifts.  </p>
<p>In making a decision that may affect one for the rest of one&#8217;s life, one has to get beyond this though. Anytime there is a major event on a college or university campus, any institution will want to impress the public, and many recognize that these events can become potential recruiting tools whether or not there is an attempt to personally confront a visitor about future enrollment. They want the person to visit once, then again, and keep coming back.  This doesn&#8217;t necessarily even have to be academic.  It may be a sports tournament, competition, exhibition, guest speaker, conference, too.  It&#8217;s anything that gets the public onto the campus.  The goal is to have visitors want to return as often as possible for as many events as possible and hopefully someday part-time or full-time enrollment or perhaps even employment and participation in a ministry.  Many institutions will attract guest speakers by offering a vareity of gifts, recognitions, and honorary doctorate degrees.  I&#8217;m not saying that a person may not deserve regootion from an accomplishment gained through experience.  I like to know when I&#8217;m dealing with an honorary degree as opposed to a doctorate earned by traditional postgraduate education though.  Whoever this person is, especially if attendance at an event is mandatory, this person is important to the administration and faculty and student body.  After the excitment is over and life returns to its daily routine, just take time and go search the library or internet for biographies and news event privaetly.  Try to learn as much as possible about guest speakers.  I don&#8217;t mean just the wonderful information.  </p>
<p>At many colleges and universities, attendance for guest speakers is not always required and in some cases might even be restricted or require purchase of tickets or some type of background security check.  At most colleges and universities, the administration and faculty do not elevate themselves to deity.  The focus must be God and Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit, not a particular name.  Of course, a person can elevate oneself to deityat any public or private campus also.  Does the school allow for questioning among its faculty and administration and student body and patrons and visitors?  If the answer is no, this is a clue that a problem might exist.  The biggest mistake I made is that I didn&#8217;t stop and do further research and wait.  I resent the pressure that was placed on me to make a decision in favor of this particular institution at the exclusion of others that could have been good options.  I also resent the pressure to go to a non-regionally accredited institution as opposed to options which were regionally accredited.  This doesn&#8217;t just mean regional accreditation, but also checking to see programs have professional accreditations and are established.  The reputation of an institution will follow one for the rest of one&#8217;s life.  one will be forever associated with one&#8217;s alma mater whether or not one wants by others.  That can help or hurt an individiual much longer than one can ever imagine at the ages of 18-22.  I say this because I think this age group is probably more vulnerable due to lack of experience.  A mistake made at an early age can really close opportunities in the future.  I know that many are taught that this is a time to just do on and do what one pleases.  I know in many high school and college circles, the parents are not really given much weight except to pay the bills.  This is the time of independence.  It&#8217;s the great adventure of moving on.<br />
But people care.  </p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s sad when a parent doesn&#8217;t give a child a choice.  There are options with colleges.  One can even stay at a church and ministry near home.  But many churches have ministries near colleges. There are also campus ministries.  Many times a person does have a choice.  In many schools, one is welcomed to make the choice but not harrassed when one doesn&#8217;t make the choice.  It&#8217;s optional.  Also in many schools. there are a lot of choices in respect to religious fellowships.  I was told there was only one choice and as I look back, that should have been a clue.  </p>
<p>I am not anti-Baptist.  I am not in opposition to Christian organizations.  I am only commenting on my own personal experience and on two specific ministries which are not regionally accredited.</p>
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		<title>Comment on About This Site by Pastor Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pastor Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Aug 2010 16:04:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel that the name/description/purpose of this site is a bit misconstrued.  This website shouldn&#039;t be called baptistdeception.com, and really, according to all that your saying, you don&#039;t like the Independent Fundamental Baptist movement, (it&#039;s a movement, not a denomination, FYI), so shouldn&#039;t it be IFBaptistsdeception.com?  But by what I&#039;ve read you are vilifying Independent Fundamental Baptists, as a whole, even though you are only saying you write based on personal experience and what other have said to you, but you still generalize IFB&#039;s as a whole, whether you are doing it purposely or not.  But the issues you speak of are not that of Independent Fundamental Baptists, but legalistic ones.  Ive been in churches that didn&#039;t even have baptist anywhere in the name, but they were legalistic.  So your issue should be with Legalism, not IFB&#039;s.  So saying your issue is with IFB Churches and their deceptive doctrines is misleading since really you take issue with legalism. So by that merit, your site should really be called www.LegalismDeception.com  That would be the more correct/direct description of the issues you have, which I agree with.  I am a Independant Fundamental Baptist Pastor, and I hate legalism, it ruins churches, but not all IFB churches are legalistic, some are for sure, but not all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel that the name/description/purpose of this site is a bit misconstrued.  This website shouldn&#8217;t be called baptistdeception.com, and really, according to all that your saying, you don&#8217;t like the Independent Fundamental Baptist movement, (it&#8217;s a movement, not a denomination, FYI), so shouldn&#8217;t it be IFBaptistsdeception.com?  But by what I&#8217;ve read you are vilifying Independent Fundamental Baptists, as a whole, even though you are only saying you write based on personal experience and what other have said to you, but you still generalize IFB&#8217;s as a whole, whether you are doing it purposely or not.  But the issues you speak of are not that of Independent Fundamental Baptists, but legalistic ones.  Ive been in churches that didn&#8217;t even have baptist anywhere in the name, but they were legalistic.  So your issue should be with Legalism, not IFB&#8217;s.  So saying your issue is with IFB Churches and their deceptive doctrines is misleading since really you take issue with legalism. So by that merit, your site should really be called <a href="http://www.LegalismDeception.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.LegalismDeception.com</a>  That would be the more correct/direct description of the issues you have, which I agree with.  I am a Independant Fundamental Baptist Pastor, and I hate legalism, it ruins churches, but not all IFB churches are legalistic, some are for sure, but not all.</p>
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		<title>Comment on About This Site by Gordon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Aug 2010 10:59:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello all,

This is my second post.  I don&#039;t know what happened the first time, probably user error.  I&#039;m just beginning to wrap my head around this problem that many of you are describing.  I&#039;m wondering is there a specific presentation of the gospel clearly and entirely on this site?
Do you recommend any specific denomination or church to attend?

Happy for any thoughts or recommendations,
Gordon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello all,</p>
<p>This is my second post.  I don&#8217;t know what happened the first time, probably user error.  I&#8217;m just beginning to wrap my head around this problem that many of you are describing.  I&#8217;m wondering is there a specific presentation of the gospel clearly and entirely on this site?<br />
Do you recommend any specific denomination or church to attend?</p>
<p>Happy for any thoughts or recommendations,<br />
Gordon</p>
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