Quotable Quotes


I wanted to have a post with quotes that are relevant to the site. If you have a quote that you think might be appropriate please let me know and I will add it. Thanks

1. “The law works fear and wrath; grace works hope and mercy.” – Martin Luther

2. “Those who clothe themselves in good deeds are well camouflaged.” Jean Luc Picard

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21 Responses to “ Quotable Quotes ”

  1. remi says:

    here’s a quote for ya.
    “Freedom is not free unless you’re free to fail.” Pastor Joseph Prince

  2. kwasi Asiamah says:

    What Is a Fundamental Baptist Church?

    by Pastor Jack Hyles

    Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called: Mercy unto you, and peace, and love, be multiplied. Beloved when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints. For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ. Jude 1-4

    The word fundamental is a relative word. It becomes an adjective instead of a noun when it is used to describe a Baptist church. It is a shame that we have to say fundamental Baptist church, because all Baptist churches ought to be fundamental.

    The word fundamental means, one who holds to the original faith and practice of a movement. A Masonic Lodge can have fundamentalists. If you go back to the fundamentals of the Masonic Lodge, you are a fundamental Mason. The word fundamentalist does not apply Just to a group of Baptists. It can apply to any group. There are many kinds of religious fundamentalists, and there are even many kinds of Christian fundamentalists.

    The first Baptist church was started in about 31 A.D.

    It was not started on the day of Pentecost. It was started during the earthly ministry of our Lord.

    The Catholic church was started in 313 by

    Constantine, the Emperor. Constantine united the church and the state in the Roman Catholic hierarchy.

    In 1530 the Reformation came and the Lutherans started. About the fourteenth century a man named John Wycliff became very disenchanted with the Catholic church. Then came another man named John Huss, who likewise was disenchanted with the Catholic church. Following Huss came a man whose name was Savonarola. All three of these men were martyred by the Catholic church. Then came a man named Zwingli, who was also disenchanted. He became a part of the Reformation. Zwingli was followed by Martin Luther, who was followed by John Calvin.

    In 1531 the Episcopalian church started.

    In 1541 the Presbyterian church started.

    In 1602 the Congregational church started.

    In 1785 the Methodist church was started by John Wesley.

    In 1812 the Disciples of Christ were started. We now call them the Church of Christ, Christian churches, or Disciples of Christ.

    Around 1900 the inter-denominational movement began to flourish in America.

    Remember that a fundamentalist is someone who goes back to the original faith and practice of a movement. How far back does someone have to go in order to be considered a fundamentalist? They must go back to the origin of their movement.

    To be a fundamentalist Methodist a person would have to go back to 1785. A fundamental Methodist is not a fundamentalist as we Baptists count a fundamentalist. They still sprinkle because John Wesley sprinkled. They still believe in denominational lordship of the churches. They still believe that salvation can be lost because John Wesley believed it. They still believe in holiness. John Wesley was wrong on holiness. John Wesley was a great man and certainly deserves our attention as a man of character, discipline, and prayer, but not as a man of doctrine.

    I believe we ought to pray for, love and admire people of other denominations, who believe the Bible, but not doctrinally like we do, but I do not think we ought to work with them. I think it is unwise to work with people that are fundamental in their own doctrine.

    When I was a young preacher, I pastored the Grange Hall Baptist Church in the country, outside of Marshall, Texas. The Grange Hall Methodist Church was a good Methodist church. They had a fundamental Methodist preacher named Edmond Robb. He and I became good friends. Both of us were in the same little country neighborhood. I respected Ed Robb and the Grange Hall Methodist Church. We never had any trouble, because did not try to unite in our efforts.

    America was much better off when Baptists worked with Baptists, Nazarenes worked with Nazarenes, and fundamental Presbyterians worked with fundamental Presbyterians, etc. We do not reveal our differences as much if we stay in our own camps and do our own work. We got the job done better back in those days as well.

    I admire the fundamental inter-denominational people. I respect them, but I do not work with them. The Cumberland Presbyterian Church was about a mile and half from our church. They had revivals just like we did. They got people saved just like we did, but they sprinkled babies and converts. Their denomination assigned the preacher to the churches. I respected them, and I prayed for their revivals, but did not unite with them.

    Let’s allow the fundamental Disciples of Christ, the fundamental Methodists, the fundamental Congregationalists, and the fundamental Presbyterians to live, but let us be fundamental Baptists. The Baptist distinctives that have made us different through the years are no longer precious because we have worked with good people whose doctrines were wrong in some important areas.

    There are those in the Lutheran church who have returned to the fundamentals of the Lutheran church, but they are still different from a fundamental Baptist in some important areas. They still sprinkle babies. They still have the Bishopry over the churches. They are totally wrong on the doctrines of the church, baptism, and the Lord’s Supper.

    I respect and admire a fundamental Lutheran preacher. I rejoice with him for his morals. I rejoice because he stands for righteousness. I rejoice that he fights unrighteousness. I rejoice that he has revivalsand gets people saved, but I cannot rejoice that he is wrong on the local church. I cannot rejoice that he is wrong on baptism. I cannot rejoice that he is wrong on sprinkling babies. I cannot rejoice that he is wrong on the Lord’s Supper. I can thank God for him, but I will not join up with him.

    To be a fundamental Baptist you must go back to Jesus. Nobody is a true Bible fundamentalist unless he is a fundamental Baptist. Nobody who sprinkles babies is a true fundamentalist because no babies were sprinkled in the Bible. To be a true fundamentalist you cannot believe in falling from grace, because the Bible teaches that you cannot fall from grace. To be a true fundamentalist you must be separated from the world. To be a true fundamentalist you must be a soul winner. You can be a fundamental inter-denominationalist and not believe in soul winning, but you cannot be a fundamental Baptist and not believe in soul winning.

    A fundamental Baptist church is a church whose faith and practice goes back to 31 A.D. to Jesus. You can be a fundamental Methodist and go back to Wesley. You can be a fundamental Presbyterian and go back to Calvin or Zwingli. You can be a fundamental Lutheran and go back to Luther. You can be a fundamental Catholic and go back to Constantine, but you cannot be a real Bible fundamentalist unless you go back to Jesus.

    Two things cause these movements to move away from the fundamentals.

    1. Unwillingness to accept the stigma of either extreme. Either position has a stigma. If a man is a strict fundamentalist, the great host of society calls him a radical. Most people do not want to be considered fanatical.

    The evangelicals came along and taught fundamentalists how not to be radical. The evangelical movement was not founded because of conviction. It was founded because the evangelical people were not willing to be branded for Jesus’ sake. They did not want to bear the stigma.

    The farther from fundamentalism the Devil can brand as radical, the better he likes it. He likes it when more liberal Christians are called fundamentalist because it moves the line of what a radical is considered to be. If you are not a fighting fundamentalist, you are an evangelical.

    The neoorthodox movement is the same thing to liberalism as the Evangelical movement is to fundamentalism. It is a way to avoid being in the extreme of a movement.

    In Washington, D.C. you will not find many old fashioned conservative Republicans. Nor will you find many staunch liberals. The same concept applies. Everyone wants to be moderate, so they will not be considered radical.

    The evangelical movement is nothing more than fundamentalists who use liberal terms. The neoorthodox movement is nothing more than liberals who use fundamentalist terms. New evangelicals are those who meet somewhere in the middle.

    2. A desire to gather a larger following. Many people make the mistake of believing that they will grow more by appealing to a wider scope of people. In reality, people are drawn to that which is distinct. Most people hold to extreme beliefs and are thrilled to find an institution that has not compromised those beliefs. That has been the secret of the success of the First Baptist Church of Hammond. We have done nothing to try to appeal to crowds other than proclaiming the uncompromised truth of the Word of God.

    Many men who had great and growing ministries saw the opportunity to enlarge their outreach and changed their position more towards the middle. In most cases the ministries diminished.

    Let me make a few observations.

    1. The Devil wants to bring the term radical toward the center.

    2. Let us thank God for every group that broke with their original group when it got liberal and went back to what it used to be.

    3. Let us hold to our Baptist distinctives. They do matter. Baptism does matter. It is in the Great Commission. Soul winning does matter. It is in the Great Commission. The Lord’s Supper does matter. It is one of the church ordinances. It does matter. The doctrine of the church does matter. Let us hold dear and treasure our Baptist distinctives while at the same time admiring those who are willing to take a stand in their denomination.

    4. Let us not be ashamed of being considered radicals.

    5. We had a stronger nation when each did its own work alone and the rest of us admired each other from a distance. I am a Baptist. I thank God that I am a Baptist. I thank God for my Baptist heritage. 1 thank God for Baptist distinctives. I thank God for the men who died for them. If they can be martyred for these Baptist distinctives, the least I can do is believe them.

  3. bob says:

    @kwasi Asiamah
    If you are a true biblical fundamentalist, you would recognize that Jack Hyles was a false teacher and ran his church like a cult.

  4. greg says:

    “To be a fundamental Baptist you must go back to Jesus”…..Ol Jack gave Jesus a big laugh with this one!!!

    I am a christian. I thank God that I am a christian. I thank God for my christian heritage. I thank God for christian distinctives. I thank Christ for dying for me. If Christ can be martyred for us sinners, the very least I can do is believe in Him. (does the above honor God more than Jack’s praise of “religion” and men?)….that’s what I thought!

    Let’s take the focus off of religion and sinful men and onto the Solid Rock, Jesus!! He must increase, but we must decrease. Jesus said if I be lifted up I will draw all men unto me. Baptist distinctives my foot! Let us raise up the precious name of Jesus, Jack Hyles!!

    100% Jesus, not Hyles!

  5. bob says:

    This is just some of the evidence that backs up what I said about Jack Hyles.http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/exposes/hyles/testim.htm

  6. Kasey says:

    Independent Fundamental Baptist churches are not “cults”. We actually go by the bible and try to be Christlike, like it says in the bible. Pastor Jack Hyles is an amazing preacher! We follow the true word of God, which is the KJV. Not the NIV or other so called “bibles”. Other bibles take out, or add their own scriptures in, to their beliefs. One day when the Lord comes back for judgement day, the people that aren’t born again will stand before God, and what will their excuse be? Nowadays people don’t even know what Salvation is… Everyone uses the term “Christian” just because you go to church. Being a Christian is more than going to church, it’s actually following the true word of God. Put it this way, just because you park your car in the garage doesn’t mean you’re a car does it…no it doesn’t. So for everyone calling us a “cult” is wrong.

  7. greg says:

    Hey Kasey what’s up? What do you think about Jesus? I really think He is amazing!!! I follow the true word of God, which of course is Jesus.

    In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. …………and the Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us.

    Isn’t that awesome!!!

  8. Charles says:

    @Kasey

    Jack Hyles may be an amazing speaker, but not an amazing preacher. Amazing preachers preach the Word of God not the Word of the IFB.

    Can you please show me where in the Bible it says that the KJV is the “true Word of God”? If not, how do you know that the KJV is the “true Word of God”?

    I consider myself a Christian, but I don’t follow the KJV (your idea of the “true Word of God”), does that mean that I’m not saved?

    I don’t understand your car in the garage analogy. I don’t know of anyone who parks their care in a garage who would think of himself/herself as a car.

  9. Rick says:

    1.The first Baptist church did not appear in 31 A.D. but in 1521 and its founder is Thomas Munzer.
    2.The Catholic Church can actually trace its origins to around 33 A.D. and not 313 and her founder is Jesus Christ.

    If the Baptist church is a fundamental church — believing and practicing the true, authentic, fundamental Christian teachings, then why don’t they still today? For example: read The Book of Acts and how the first Christians “gathered to break bread.” That was The Church; believers gathering to hear Scripture and later “break bread,” which Jesus instructed them to do (read any gospel account of The Last Supper.) This is a fundamental Christian practice, and yet in the Baptist church The Last Supper is “just a symbol” or “mere rememberance of what Jesus did.” If your church does not celebrate, believe or teach that Jesus is truly present in the bread and wine, then your church is not fundamental, as in the one celebrating, believing and practicing what the first Christians did, after receiving it from Jesus himself.

    Following Acts, read Paul’s letters to the Corinthinans. He correctly practiced and taught that Jesus was truly present in the bread and wine, again, a fundamental Christian mark. See 1 Corinthinas 11:27 “…to drink unworthily… is guilty of sinning against the body of the Lord.” Question: How can anyone drink unworthily of the body if the body is not there?

    The first Christians believed and rightfully taught that Jesus was truly present in the bread and wine. So if your church is this same church then it would too. But the fact of the matter is that only The Catholic Church teaches and upholds this fundamental Christian belief.

    My friends, God’s grace to you on your conversion or reconcilliation to the one, true, holy, catholic, and apostolic church of Christ — The Catholic Church.

    In closing, isn’t it odd that all of the Protestant churches are borne out of Catholic dissidents? How come the reformers all “had a beef”with only the Catholic Church and not the Baptist church? Why not just join the Baptist church? It claims to be “the one,” and yet the reformers built thier own churches and ignored the Baptist church. Could it be because the Baptist church was also borne out of the reformation?

    The truth is a truth has to exist for any opposition to exist. So why then did the reformers attack the Catholic Church and not the Baptist church? Could it be because the Catholic Church is the one, true, holy, catholic, and apostolic church that was the only real obstacle to the reformers arrogant, disobedient, and prideful ways?

    God bless,
    Rick

  10. bob says:

    Dear Rick, The Roman Catholic church is the largest organized cult in existence. Regardless of when the catholic church began or who they claim to follow, they have departed from the authority of Christ and His word and substituted it for human authority and man’s teaching. This is the essence of what a cult is. The catholic church has replaced the authority of God’s word and duped people into following the “authority” of mere mortals.

    The Catholic church can never be right as a God honoring church until she puts the Scripture in its rightful place.

    There is no wonder that this church has been the source of so many false teachings, even distorting the gospel of grace. However, there can be no debate until you submit to the supreme authority of Christ and His word and reject all others who contradict.

  11. greg says:

    Rick – Jesus is not “proud” of your denomination!

    No one picking up a bible today would come up with the catholic denomination.

    Jesus clearly said to this “in memory of me.” For pity sake, Jesus was with the Apostles, when He said this is “the new covenant in my blood” if they weren’t drinking actual blood then, why in the world would you think that “it turns into blood” now!

    There have always been folks that picked up the word of God and believed it, I am one of those! To think that the catholic denomination or any denomination has the corner on faith is simply very short-sighted.

    I have a hard time believing that God’s church would be full of pedophile, monster, child-abusing priests!

  12. Don says:

    It’s ludicrous to believe that the first baptist church started in AD31! How could anyone believe that??! Where are their writings? What groups do they think they come from…the Montanists? The Waldensians? The Albigensians? Those are in history. Their doctrines were nothing like what baptists hold to.
    No, the baptists, like all other groups, came out of the Catholic Church.

  13. bob says:

    Don,
    There were small pockets of Christians that existed apart from the Catholic church. So, in reality, they never broke away from the Catholic church because they were never apart of it.
    The Baptist point here is that they are like the Christians who were never part of the Catholic church, and they try to trace themselves back to these outside Christian groups.
    But I say, “so what”. What difference does this make for a Christian today? I would say absolutely none. It actually reminds me of what the Pharisees said to Jesus when they claimed that Abraham was their father. And do you remember what Jesus said to them? He said, ” If you are Abraham’s children, do the deeds of Abraham”.
    I could rather care less about who a person can link themselves to. I would like to see people imitate some of these heros of past generations.
    I think if some of the great Baptist preachers of the past like C.H. Spurgeon were to come back and visit the Baptist churches of today, they would totally repudiate most of what they see. So much for piggybacking on great men of the past.

  14. greg says:

    I just wish these catholics that are driving by would be as enthusiastic about Jesus as they are their man-made denomination!

  15. Don says:

    Greg, I’m not Catholic; I attend an IFB church. But I don’t think baptists should say their denomination goes back to the NT church in Acts, because it simply isn’t true. They are no way like the NT church in Acts either. And there is no historical data to prove baptists arrived on the scene way back then or anytime prior to the sixteenth century. So, to me, excuse me, but they should stick to what is true and at least historically accurate.

  16. greg says:

    Don, That clears up your previous statement somewhat. But you can be certain, as Bob mentioned, that there always have been folks of faith outside of the catholic church. I don’t want to re-fight old battles, but the catholic church killed thousands of christians! Simply look at their recent history with the homosexual, pedophile priests molesting hundreds if not thousands of boys. If I could trace my faith back to the catholic denomination, I wouldn’t tell anyone, it certainly is not something to be proud of.

    There is a small book out “The Trail of Blood” that attempts to trace the baptists all the back to AD31, and they include the groups you mentioned Waldensians, etc….even yrs ago when I was a Kool-Aid drinker I couldn’t quite swallow that history!

    Bob makes another great point, it doensn’t matter what group we are linked to! The main thing is that we are linked to the right person, and that person is the Lord Jesus Christ!

  17. Don says:

    Yes, finding fault and being critical is a great distraction from serving the Lord Jesus. Satan loves to keep us from loving and sharing Christ and likes to deceive us into thinking that we’re doing right by pointing out faults with a church or group. For too long I was lead down that path and it was and is very hard to come out of it.
    May He find us faithful.

    Don

  18. greg says:

    Don – “Satan loves to deceive us into thinking that we’re doing right by pointing out faults with a church or group” …Are you being sarcastic? This entire website is here to battle the graceless/legalistic/man-worship of the IFB.

    I see nothing in the Scripture that instructs us to stand by while men/denominations spread lies about God and the work of His church. In fact I see just the opposite, the word of God is sharp and powerful, “All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteosness, so that the man of God may be throroughly equipped for every good work.” 2 Timothy 3:16:17

    I am emboldened by the Word of God and by the Holy Spirit to come against anything or anyone that goes against the Word of God. It doesn’t matter whether it’s a catholic priest or an uneducated IFB pastor, I am not intimidated by anyone! May God be true and every man a liar!

    So if I read you wrong and you are not being sarcastic, I apologize! If you are then, let’s hear it, respectful dialogue has always been welcome here, unlike so many IFB churches! Questions are welcomed!

  19. Don says:

    @greg, I was not being sarcastic, I was serious. Being critical keeps me from serving the Lord. I’ve been critical for too long, sitting back on the sidelines, not doing anything for the Lord but finding fault with this church or that church, and for the last few years, with the IFB. Since I attend an IFB, I am going to try and put my differences aside and minister as the HS leads me. If in ministering, the pastor or a deacon finds fault with the way I pray in the spirit or minister, then I will challenge them or go elsewhere as God leads. If they find fault with a solo I feel lead to sing, I will challenge them, and if they tell me I’m ‘sowing discard among the brethren’, maybe it’s time to leave.

  20. greg says:

    Don-It sounds like quite a challenge!

    I would just ask you to remember who you are in Christ, and not be a rug for anyone!

    “But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people belonging to God, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.” 1 Peter2:9



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